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Post by kaseyreynolds on Sept 10, 2007 20:50:01 GMT -6
Adam and I have been discussing this..and can't come up with any ideas right now..but how in the heck are we going to incorperate EVERYBODY that's here right now into angles? I'm upset we booked 9 matches..but we want everyone to stay involved so we didn't have a choice. My idea is no more than 7 matches on a card. And Suspense can't be just a "debut place"...we've got to figure something out...and if our roster continues to expand (which I hope so) then we had better figure something out. And I don't want to do a "2 brands" thing because to me that's just gay. Any ideas?
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Post by ShowTyme on Sept 10, 2007 21:21:15 GMT -6
take time talking to everyone on the roster. Those that show promise and you think can become a mainstay, keep them on Collision. Others that seem to not be anything, send them to Suspense to work on their skills.
Also, talk to everyone and discuss storyline/angle ideas. Something I did in the past was PM everyone asking them who they would like to feud with and why... and just ask for angle ideas. You would be surprised how good some ideas can be.
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Post by kaseyreynolds on Sept 10, 2007 21:42:16 GMT -6
take time talking to everyone on the roster. Those that show promise and you think can become a mainstay, keep them on Collision. Others that seem to not be anything, send them to Suspense to work on their skills. Also, talk to everyone and discuss storyline/angle ideas. Something I did in the past was PM everyone asking them who they would like to feud with and why... and just ask for angle ideas. You would be surprised how good some ideas can be. Not a bad idea, but not something I want to do. I don't want to have "2 brands" and that'd be what we would have. What do you do on Suspense when EVERYBODY has improved enough to be on Collision? You'll still be booking 9+ matches a card for it...and we are always open for suggestions..if you've got angle ideas...then don't hesitate to pm me an idea and I'll consider it and if I like it..I'll show it to Adam. I started this "attacking" angle and never thought it'd evolve into what it is now...and I know how it'll end and it'll be pretty good I think...and this person gave me some ideas and I've pretty much ran with it since then. So we are open to suggestions..please pm me any angle ideas you have or anybody you'd like to feud with and we'll discuss them. |
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Post by ShowTyme on Sept 10, 2007 21:47:38 GMT -6
well if you refuse to do a wwe style 2 brand thing you have a few choises...
A: Stop taking applications (not a popular choice)
B: Start a week on week off thing with a few people
C: Find someone you trust to open a developmental fed for the ncw. (this is what I was in the process of doing for my fed before I had to close down.)
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Post by Ruston Bourne on Sept 10, 2007 22:00:52 GMT -6
the fact of the matter is, even good people come and go. i think it will balance itself out.
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Post by kaseyreynolds on Sept 10, 2007 22:03:52 GMT -6
the fact of the matter is, even good people come and go. i think it will balance itself out. What do you mean? |
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Post by Ruston Bourne on Sept 10, 2007 22:18:04 GMT -6
just because people are rping well doesnt mean they will hang around. traditionally the turnover rate for efeds is pretty bad.
i think the numbers will drop. and it has nothing to do with how good the fed is or isnt, it just happens.
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Post by kaseyreynolds on Sept 10, 2007 22:26:45 GMT -6
Hmmm...I hope you are wrong..I want people to come here and I want people to stay. I'm conguring up angle ideas for others right now. I guess I've never really helped run an efed that's been going on for a month...I guess that's a bad thing..lol
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Post by Kevin Hardaway on Sept 10, 2007 23:37:36 GMT -6
just because people are rping well doesnt mean they will hang around. traditionally the turnover rate for efeds is pretty bad. i think the numbers will drop. and it has nothing to do with how good the fed is or isnt, it just happens. Yeah, it happens with every fed i've gone to. I'll think you'll guys will be fine. |
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Post by kaseyreynolds on Sept 11, 2007 0:40:30 GMT -6
Still need to figure out how to keep everyone we've got here going every week and not have to book 9 matches on one show.
I don't like to have to job anybody, if people earn it..then they earn it. If we did book a lot of matches on one show...people would HAVE to job to make it easier for us.
Or we could book a lot of triple threats and fatal four ways..which are no fun.
I don't know..I've been racking my brain all night over it. I may not sleep because of it..but then again, I probably won't sleep anyways worrying about it.
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Post by Spike Kane on Sept 11, 2007 2:42:27 GMT -6
I think the Xtreme Title should go to Suspense and the people fighting for it should be there too, aswell as the debuters (that even a word?)
The only way to stop a "Brand" thing is to have people appearing on both shows...now I don't know about you but having a match on Saturday and then Sunday seems a bit harsh...besides...you guys said that Suspense was going to be like Heat.
I know it's hard coming up with angles for everybody, it's something I enjoy doing and helps me get the creative juices flowing...so if you need some help for particular people hit me up. However, I don't think you can have two main shows one after the other, it won't work, look how Raw ****s on ECW.
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Post by Jack Manson on Sept 11, 2007 5:18:52 GMT -6
The roster is growing but something i've noticed is a lot of the new guys don't bother showing so they are getting removed quicker than they came in.
I've been booked in every week since I got here and I don't mind if i'm off the card one or two weeks. It gives me a chance to write some segements for the show or do some C.D roleplays. I'm sure many of the guys who frequently appear on Collision wouldn't mind taking a week or two off every now and then either.
I don't agree with having 9 matches booked on this weeks card. I feel it is too much for the admins to do and the to keep the same quality of past shows will be difficult due to time constraints of this card. I say 6 matches would be best suited to our shows at the moment.
I think when a fed opens it's doors again and starts getting the names in, for the first few weeks they only have something like 8-10 guys and get in the habit of mixing them up in matches each week, and once fueds and angles happen between that small number it's usually focussed on more than when other names start to appear. Then you get to the point where you're trying to debut everyone and get everyone in angles whilst keeping the angles between the first members going.
Not everybody has to be in a storyline. Let some people have a few matches and see who they work well off and then talk to them and see if they would like to start a fued with that person.
It's the lesser of two evils really. No matter how hard you try you can't please everybody lol.
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Post by The Ace on Sept 11, 2007 7:54:02 GMT -6
First off I think the two shows should have at least two days between them, this will ease the pressure of any superstars working both shows, personally if I was organising the shows I'd move Suspense to Wednesday - a nice gap either side of the week between shows. If you keep them as they are, most likely a 'brand' situation will ensue as people wont be appearing on two consecutive shows or if they do, they will burn out faster and your numbers will indeed drop.
Thoughts on Suspense
Suspense, if it is going to work as a Heat or Velocity type show should feature newcomers vs newcomers or newcomers vs low carders primarily, with the ME featuring more established names fighting for a 'low' title. Therefore the Champ will not have to wrestle/defend his title on Collision, giving him the next show off If you run out of rookies to fill Suspense, then you could always fill it with recaps/teasers/hype for the next Collision/PPV thereby keeping people active in writing segments even if they're not wrestling on the show, I know I like doing 'in ring' promos and since they're not allowed on the boards, they could be done for shows and count towards whatever match they're hyping.
Thoughts on Collision
This should work like Raw/SD and primarily feature matches between mid, upper and ME level Superstars only, with the main Champs/challengers MEing even if it's not always a defence. Again particularly promising and eager upcomers may have odd segments here and there on the show, but Collision is primarily the big dog's playground in both matches and segments.
General Thoughts
Anyone scheduled for Suspense should not appear on Collision unless they are a major champ/challenger, in which case they should work both shows, or at least make 'appearances' on the other show to keep feuds/PPV hype going via segments and such.
Anyone scheduled for Collision should not appear on Suspense unless they are a major champ/challenger, in which case they should work both shows, or at least make 'appearances' on the other show to keep feuds/PPV hype going via segments and such.
For those only working one show per week the RP liimits should be raised to at least three, for those working both shows, they can have two RPs for each show. If it is a title match these should be raised to three each, possibly four, depending on the status of the title and to really test the challenger's calibre.
A champ competing on both shows need NOT defend his title on both occassions.
Death blows to an E-Fed under such circumstances (in my opinion):
Stop accepting applications
Open a separate developmental fed (its enough looking after one, thank you)
Overworking Supertars
Under using Superstars
The key is balance as I have tried to outline above. These are just my opinions, some may agree, some may not, however if you find them workable suggestions, I'm happy to have helped.
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Post by Jimmy Zane on Sept 11, 2007 9:01:00 GMT -6
I think the resolution to your problem is simple and obvious. Two Shows. I know it is difficult writing angles and matches for one show per week, however, you could do it as outlined below and it would take pressure off of everyone.
Step 1 - Get a feeling from your Superstars on who would be willing to work 2 shows per week. Not everyone has time to roleplay for 2 different shows per week.
Step 2 - Put a lower RP limit on each show. Recognize that people have lives and a 2 roleplay limit should be sufficient and more than likely spur better competition throughout the fed.
Step 3 - Out of the people who can only work 1 show per week, split them up between the shows. Having a consistent schedule is important. You can take volunteers on who wants to work which show.
Step 4 - Make sure your results and cards are up promptly. Nobody likes waiting.
Step 5 - Add 2 extra titles. Maybe a Collision TV Champion and a Suspense TV Champion. It is a lesser title, but a title nonetheless, and it will give newer members something to go after.
Step 6 - Hire two more staff members to help with the extra work. Running yourself into the ground will kill a fed faster than arguing and fighting.
Step7 - Put the plan into motion.
Since you will have everyone's input and volunteers for each show, there shouldn't be any drama over it. Make both shows equal as far as status goes. In other words, both shows are of RAW magnitude as opposed to RAW and HEAT... That way people don't feel that because they are on one show, they aren't important to the fed. Everyone here is equally important to storylines, competition, and the survival of the fed.
That is just my two cents on the issue. I think it would work out for all parties involved and really get the nCw to a higher level of success than it has ever had before.
Thanks for reading.
Living Legend
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Post by Ricky Johnson on Sept 11, 2007 11:38:09 GMT -6
I could start a developmental/farm system style fed, just give me a few days, and I could run it, you could send me the guys who aren't main eventing yet...
Of course, if anyone wants to help, or is even considering this a good idea, there are always things to work out in order to go to nCw, like what would be the requirements, farm-fed world champ? if so, for how long?
**** like that, but I'm willing to do it.
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Post by Jack Manson on Sept 11, 2007 11:44:03 GMT -6
I don't think a development type of thing would work that well. The last fed I was part of was a developmental fed for a bigger one. And the guys in the bigger fed there caused a lot of **** to the members who got put in development, like they weren't deserving enough to be in the main fed with them. I'm not saying anybody here will be like that, but I was part of one before and it eventually lead to the development fed wanting to leave the other feds shadow and caused a lot of un-needed trouble that ruined friendships and stuff.
I also agree with having the show on a different day than Saturday. It should be mid-week if people have enough time to roleplay and right the results.
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Post by Jimmy Zane on Sept 11, 2007 12:06:00 GMT -6
I think a "farm system" is the way wrong way to go. I think it would be an insult to anyone who was sent there, regardless of their roleplaying status. It would die in a heartbeat, and I think it would kill the nCw as well. And that is certainly not what we want.
Living Legend
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Post by ShowTyme on Sept 11, 2007 12:37:53 GMT -6
i understand that you guys dont like it but i dont see how insult anyone that went there. personally if I join a fed I prefer to start at the bottom and work up, not become the main guy right off. If i just join a efed I expect to start at the bottom regardless of my abilities. I guess thats just me
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Post by Jimmy Zane on Sept 11, 2007 12:43:12 GMT -6
As it should be for anyone. However, if you compare the terminology to say, baseball, a "farm league" would be a place for people who aren't good enough to be in the "big leagues". I think everyone can work their way up in one fed. Not everyone will be main eventers, and not all main eventers will STAY main eventers.
I just think that there is room enough in one fed for everyone. Why start a farm league and waste resources. If you work it right, and use those people who would be running that extra fed, the work load would lighten on everyone, and everyone would continue to have fun.
Living Legend
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Post by kaseyreynolds on Sept 11, 2007 14:13:43 GMT -6
As it should be for anyone. However, if you compare the terminology to say, baseball, a "farm league" would be a place for people who aren't good enough to be in the "big leagues". I think everyone can work their way up in one fed. Not everyone will be main eventers, and not all main eventers will STAY main eventers. I just think that there is room enough in one fed for everyone. Why start a farm league and waste resources. If you work it right, and use those people who would be running that extra fed, the work load would lighten on everyone, and everyone would continue to have fun. Living Legend I know exactly who you are for sure now..because none of that makes any sense at all....  |
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Post by kaseyreynolds on Sept 11, 2007 14:15:12 GMT -6
I don't think a development type of thing would work that well. The last fed I was part of was a developmental fed for a bigger one. And the guys in the bigger fed there caused a lot of s*** to the members who got put in development, like they weren't deserving enough to be in the main fed with them. I'm not saying anybody here will be like that, but I was part of one before and it eventually lead to the development fed wanting to leave the other feds shadow and caused a lot of un-needed trouble that ruined friendships and stuff. I also agree with having the show on a different day than Saturday. It should be mid-week if people have enough time to roleplay and right the results. The reason we have it on a Saturday is so Adam and I don't get confused booking and double book somebody. That's why the shows are so close together right now..I still don't know what we are going to do.... |
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Post by kaseyreynolds on Sept 11, 2007 21:34:52 GMT -6
I think I've figured it out!
Sunday night is Collision
Wednesday night is Suspense
Both shows will be like BEFORE WWE did the 2 brands
We will take emails via nCw staff email address and which of you guys could rp for both shows can let us know...and those of you that prefer to be on one show or the other a week can tell us and we can keep it all private from everybody and go from there.
So, as an example...Dr. Pepper places the nCw Xtreme title on the line this week and he tells the staff that he would like to be booked for both shows (given room) he could defend his nCw Xtreme title on Wednesday night..and whether he retains or not..he could have another match non-title on Sunday night.
The only downside to something like this is say Spike Kane is suppose to face Lance Ryan this coming week..but Ryan can only rp for Wednesday's show...and Spike can only rp for Sunday's show..then we'd have a problem there. Hopefully it'll work out and we can vere away from having you guys choose one show or the other...and we can book you once a week freely just as long as you are given a match. We'd also have to add atleast 1 more person onto our staff...and if Adam likes this idea..I'll contact this person as he's already contacted me and shown interest in being on the staff and see if he's still up for it and willing to help. What do you guys think?
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Post by Spike Kane on Sept 12, 2007 4:30:13 GMT -6
Sounds good to me. I'm used to the XHF way of five million rps a week, so I can (and openly say so) rp for both shows, even with college.
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Post by Lance "The Icon" Ryan on Sept 12, 2007 20:16:45 GMT -6
Honestly, I would prefer to roleplay for just one show only, as roleplaying would be difficult for me between wednesday and sunday because of my life schedule.
I hope that that is not a huge conflict
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Post by kaseyreynolds on Sept 12, 2007 21:04:57 GMT -6
Honestly, I would prefer to roleplay for just one show only, as roleplaying would be difficult for me between wednesday and sunday because of my life schedule. I hope that that is not a huge conflict Shouldn't hurt anything and you could still be placed on either show (just one or the other) and still can rp on either of the days just the same. You on Suspense...Tuesday 11:59pm deadline You'd have the very same days to rp just like you would for Sunday's Collision. You just couldn't rp for 2 shows in the same week..no problem, and this is just something I'm throwing around. Not anything for sure... |
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Post by Spike Kane on Sept 13, 2007 10:35:43 GMT -6
I get it, so if you have a problem rping for two shows a week you won't be on one specific show. You'll just have one match on one show per week, right?
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Post by harrison on Sept 13, 2007 11:32:55 GMT -6
Well i'll just lay some thoughts down here on the expanding NCW, i've been keeping my eyes on it and it's really taken off so well done. And right now you've got a ton of guys who are wanting to rp and such, and your now at a point were your asking yourselves; Farm league? Two Brands?
Well i'll advise you not to go with a farm league. I've not seen one work yet, i've seen attempts which work to an extent but when they get promoted people have issues. For instance if a guy who came in and got on te main brand then got beat by a guy who came from the farm league...the ego might kick in. But i suppose its a way of training. My advice though is this;
If you have enough rp'ers for two rosters try it, but be careful i see a lot of feds go that way and it doesn't always work, seen some work brilliantly though that way. New roster members start at the bottom in "dark matches" were you have one week in a dark match, you rp you get on the "main roster", you don't you don't get booked again. Doesn't matter if you win or lose, you rp you get on. And then all the new main roster members start at the bottom and work their way up the card simple way with one or two rosters. But if you have like 20 to 30 active wrestler's here already, then having one card a weekould be difficult, but i'd also advice you to see if anyone has "two accounts" or "multiple characters", as if say three or four have 2 guys or girls on the roster then maybe ask them to remove one.
Another option is to have sample rp's required. This way you can limit those who come into the fed. Because you set a quality you require and if they reach it they get a dark match, if they don't reach the required standard you turn them down. It sounds harsh but a lot of feds set themselves a standard of rp;er theywant to join because they have got to a point like you have, were your getting new members daily, and your struggling to come up with ideas and solutions. So if you set a standard you can cut out the people you don't want, and add only those who add to the production.
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Post by harrison on Sept 13, 2007 11:35:48 GMT -6
And as for the shows i you don't want two brands, i'd stay clear of having rp'ers having to perform on two shows per week. It's not like Smackdown and RAW in real life in the rp world, people get writers block, people will get tired of having to rp for two shows a week. So my advice would be to do one of two things;
A - Split the roster say into two brands, easiest way.
B - Set it up so you can only rp on one event per week, and if your a champion your character appears on both shows, butyou wrestler only once.
It's hard to set up without a brand split, but two shows a week would start to wear out a lot of rp'ers quickly if they are doing two matches a week rp wise. Best bet is to either book them once a week for one show but not the other, or just have two rosters. But then things may get tricky.
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Post by Ruston Bourne on Sept 14, 2007 3:09:05 GMT -6
i am all for sample RPs
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Post by Dr. Pepper on Sept 14, 2007 13:49:45 GMT -6
I'm a member of three federations right now, I can only wrestle one match a week.
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