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Post by Will Washington on Jan 31, 2012 19:27:52 GMT -6
As a non-active guy that just kind of hangs around, I have this to say about the ideas:
In terms of 1 RP a week and a word limit, I think you should do one or the other. Meaning either 1 RP a week, or 2 RPs with a word limit on them. I feel like doing both together would handicap the RPers. I know the whole thing is because a lot of people have a heavy workload, but I think the solution to that would be to drop characters. There used to be a 2 character limit, and I know the rule now is 2 male characters and 1 female, but since we treat the Women's Division as equal, the female character should count the same as a male. Somebody trying to pull three characters at a time really shouldn't complain about workload.
The only thing that bothers me is the talk of punishing someone for posting later in the week. People RP when they have time, and there are other things out there other than RPing that sometimes need to be taken care of. I highly doubt anyone posts late in the week specifically to get an advantage. When I was active, a lot of the time I'd post my 2nd or 3rd RP on Saturday/Sunday, and it wasn't because I was trying to cut my opponent's legs out from under them, but because I have a hard time sitting down and focusing long enough during the week. The deadline is the deadline. There's no 24 hour warning zone that if you post during, you should be penalized.
Just my thoughts.
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Post by Jimmy Zane on Jan 31, 2012 21:16:14 GMT -6
I see your point, Deez...However... I think everyone knows who and what I am talking about when I mention Sand Baggers. Those people who consistently wait until Saturday morning/Sat Night to post week in and week out.
I am with you on the cut characters out, thing. Some have way too many characters, which causes burn out.
Anyway. I will go with whatever.
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Post by Cliff Clinton on Jan 31, 2012 21:53:00 GMT -6
sometimes the only option for people is rp late or not at all.
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Post by Cliff Clinton on Jan 31, 2012 22:36:02 GMT -6
Let's do this. 1) 1 RP for Collision (judges will take into account sandbaggers) 2) 2 RP's for number one contender or PPV matches 3) 3 RP's for title matches. Those that are in the high profile matches would get more facetime anyway. People can do more in ring segments if they want something else or storyline arcs can be posted in the devo board. Staff can pay attention to those posting a little extra and perhaps push those people towards more opportunities. What do you think? I like this. i think it's definately cool. It's lighter during the week and and keeps you charged and ready for the big matches. who else thinks we should put this into effect after Meta? |
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Post by Jimmy Novak on Jan 31, 2012 22:57:14 GMT -6
I wish there was a way to keep role plays hidden until the exact moment of the deadline. The whole notion that you need to see what your opponent is saying about you is bull crap. if your character doesnt have enough of a life and opinion to flesh out an entire RP then wtf man.
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Post by Nathan Webb on Feb 1, 2012 0:21:05 GMT -6
Instead of simply one for collision I would make it one for trauma and the webshow and two for collision and two for the ppv's. As far as a word limit I would to keep it interesting put in a word limit from time to time just to keep it interesting and challenge us from time to time.
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Post by Jimmy Zane on Feb 1, 2012 8:14:59 GMT -6
sometimes the only option for people is rp late or not at all. While I hear what you are saying, when you see the same people who can't take the time to RP during the week on the boards, and chatting it up in the cbox on a daily basis, it kind of negates the "I don't have time" excuse. |
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Post by Joe Everyman on Feb 1, 2012 11:36:25 GMT -6
sometimes the only option for people is rp late or not at all. While I hear what you are saying, when you see the same people who can't take the time to RP during the week on the boards, and chatting it up in the cbox on a daily basis, it kind of negates the "I don't have time" excuse. By "some people", he means me. |
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Post by Cliff Clinton on Feb 1, 2012 11:46:30 GMT -6
alright then Wil....
Lets make the deadline for rps on wednesday then. that way nobody can rp later in the week and we can foil everyone's evil plans to sandbag you and hold you down.
but wait....whats this?
An rp on.......Tuesday!?
SANDBAGGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
btw....this post was brought to you by sarcasm.
but seriously wil....if your so afraid of sandbaggers, write your rps and then save them till the end of the week. That way nobody can sand off your bag. and the true sandbaggers will be screwed.
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Post by Jimmy Zane on Feb 1, 2012 12:22:59 GMT -6
alright then Wil.... Lets make the deadline for rps on wednesday then. that way nobody can rp later in the week and we can foil everyone's evil plans to sandbag you and hold you down. but wait....whats this? An rp on.......Tuesday!? SANDBAGGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! btw....this post was brought to you by sarcasm. but seriously wil....if your so afraid of sandbaggers, write your rps and then save them till the end of the week. That way nobody can sand off your bag. and the true sandbaggers will be screwed. You totally miss the point....maybe because you feel guilty of being a sandbagger? The people who purposely wait all week to RP is who I am talking about. The clowns that intentionally wait until the last minute to post at 11:59 EVERY WEEK. They know who they are. You seem to be feeling a bit guilty, Steven, maybe that's why you are defending it so much. I get people have busy lives. I have one myself. Wife, kids, job, band, and then some. But I find time to do it because I love to write and do it. The people who wait to the last minute to RP every week either 1) are disinterested in RPing to begin with or 2) are just being douchebags or 3) probably both. |
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Post by Jimmy Zane on Feb 1, 2012 12:25:23 GMT -6
And by the way, I am not afraid of sandbaggers. I am tired of seeing people who constantly deadline week in and week out be rewarded. Has nothing to do with "holding me down". I am looking out for the best interest of the game in general and that includes everyone involved, not just myself.
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Post by Cliff Clinton on Feb 1, 2012 12:53:25 GMT -6
sorry wil....
i didnt mean to come off as a douche...i just wanted to make a joke.
but like i said on aim already to you....its hard to really punish people for "sandbagging". since nobody ever really knows the true story behind why a person posts late in the week. Not saying the people who do are liars or cheaters or anything im just saying that its impossible to have 100% proof one way or the other.
The only thing we can do as a staff is to just watch the rps that come in late and make sure they are based on there own ideas and not a wall of text replying to other rps. If we see a habit forming....we will take action. most likely warnings or losing your match.
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Post by Jimmy Novak on Feb 1, 2012 15:18:42 GMT -6
How about we keep 2 for Collision 2nd RP has a character limit. I would say keep it about half to 75 percent of what a normal RP usually is (take an average of recent activity). This created less walls of text for staff while still allowing a first RP for the author to have the freedom to go as long as they feel they need to.
or... the second RP is a "day of the show" RP with a relatively low character limit that is to be PMd to a specific account and be on the show. That way, no "read and react"
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Post by Spike Kane on Feb 1, 2012 16:11:55 GMT -6
Personally I think it should be one or the other. I'd rather have the one rp idea because it means that people will have more free time and there will be less for the staff to read overall.
I'd say 1 for Trauma/Collision and 2 for PPV's 3 for Title matches.
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Post by Mike Laszlo on Feb 1, 2012 23:26:50 GMT -6
So, I haven't replied yet, so now it is that time.
I like what was mentioned above:
1 RP for Trauma/Collision
2 RPs for PPVs
3 RPs for Title matches
This frees up time not only for all mentioned above, but for the match writers as well. Think of the matches we could get if people had more time to work on the detail of the match.
And as a side note, could we stop the sandbag talk? Kind of annoying.
I post late from time to time because it's my only free time.
If there are TRUE sand baggers or deadliners that do it every week, the best way to not have them rewarded is to WRITE A BETTER RP THAN ANYTHING THEY CAN WRITE, if you can't you don't deserve to win anyway. Doesn't matter when they post a RP, if it's judged as better it would have been better in the beginning or end of the week.
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Post by Pooler on Feb 3, 2012 17:07:35 GMT -6
not to just ninja myself into this discussion but I for one would TOTALLY come back if I had the option of a single roleplay a week. I miss the crap out of this place and you all so no pressure!
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Post by Shane Hunt on Feb 17, 2012 10:12:29 GMT -6
I like the idea of one RP a week, but not the word limit. Oh, I'm back for the sex, incase you were wondering.
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Post by Stygian on Mar 2, 2012 12:34:02 GMT -6
As an FNG, I advise you to take this with a grain of salt, but I wanted to add my two cents on a couple of issues.
RP Limit/Word Limit
I don't mind the idea of a one RP limit for weekly shows, and two for PPV's. I also don't mind a reasonable word limit, I'd say 5k. Five thousand words. If you can't say it in five thousand words, when it's on you to learn better word economy, or maybe put what's relevant to your match into your rp, and you fight with your wife, girlfriend, creepy kid down the block into a CD. Keep in mind, it is someone's job, several someones, to read every word of every RP and determine winners and losers. And keep in mind we're doing this for fun. Someone is nice enough to volunteer to read RPs and write matches and grease the wheels that keep a fed going. Don't drop a 10k bomb for a regular match and be a dick. For weekly shows, 1 rp 5k limit would be much easier on the players, and a hell of a lot easier on the people running the fed. Without them, we are lost. Open it up for PPV's, two RPs no word limits, because PPVs should be special. But for the week to week grind? I see no problem with 1rp at 5k. And I'm a guy who usually exceeds that number.
Sandbagging
Sandbagging can take many forms, and is a subjective term for everyone. What constitutes sandbagging to one person, is legit strategy to another. One thing can be done to stop sandbagging in terms of the time we actually post. I was in a fed that had a two rp limit per week and the anti-sandbagging rule they used was to say that you could only pose one RP on deadline day. Basic, effective. If you wait til deadline day, you can only post one. More than fair. I saw another fed (I didn't join it but I had friends in this fed) that had a two RP limit and RPs had to be posted more than 24 hours apart. Even better rule imo. That's the only kind of a rule that can stop deadline sandbagging. As for the more "subjective" areas of sandbagging?
Parroting
This is what I call it when someone waits for you to post an RP, then just takes everything you say and turns it around on you. It takes some creative skill, but not much. There's no hard way to stop it, but you can make it policy to judge it down to varying degrees of severity. Now before anyone says "what do you know" let me give a little background. I've been e-fedding since 1995. I'm willing to bet there are some of you reading these words who weren't even born then. That's 17 years, more than half my life, I've been involved with this hobby. I've had every job one can have in an e-fed. I've been a lowly curtain jerker who used to struggle to take up 500 words, I've been world champion more times in mfeds with more characters than I can count, I've ran feds, I've moderated feds, I've written for feds...I've done it all. So I've judged more than my fair share of RPs. I'm not saying that to get any praise or to try and finagle a staff position in NCW; I'm saying that to qualify my words: I know of what I speak. I personally always judged down, and harshly, people who just took their opponents promos and answer them back blow for blow. Now there's a difference between taking an accusation or attack an opponent makes and answering it, and simply just repeating everything they said and twisting the words back around. Did I used to be one of these people? Hell yes. When I was younger and didn't know much. I worked very hard and made myself learn to RP without my opponent's words, and hell, these days, other than to correct them when they're blatantly wrong, or to point out inconsistencies (or spread a few of my own if I'm playing a devious character...like Stygian) I actually write very little based off my opponents. Hell, most times I don't even read their rps til I've posted. As I said, there's no "hard" way to discourage this, other than to make it a clear judging criterion and make sure the judges penalize it.
Excessive fluff
Some people consider this a form of sandbagging. I'm not here to start a holy war, or criticize anyone's style. I'd like to make it clear that I've not read anyone's rps in NCW past a cursory glance to ascertain the level of competition and I'm not attacking anyone. The RPs I read actually didn't do much of this. But I deem excessive fluff to be, and this style seems oddly very popular these days, when someone tells excessive personal stories or takes events of their characters lives, and writes an actual match RP out of it. One fed I was in had a rule which ended with the slogan "NoCD4RP" even had little logos and such with that hash-taggable phrase on them. Now I personally, and I'm not saying I speak for anyone but me, nor that I am any sort of authority, think that the bulk of a match RP should be about the match. I don't care about your character's home life, I don't care about their relationship, I don't care about their dog or their family problems except in the context in which it relates to wrestling and the task at hand. If you're not getting into you opponent, or what's going on in the ring, I personally consider it sandbagging. So many people write these things, usually poorly-written and executed romance novels or crime dramas that it's become routinely boring. If I want to be entertained by a crime drama, I'll go watch The Departed. If I want romance, I'll go watch The Princess Bride. I don't want to log in to an e-fed and see someone trying to be Mario Puzo or Stephanie Meyer. I try to avoid this myself. If my prose fiction was that good, I'd be making a living writing it (and I am trying, but that's another story).
Let me put it another way? Do you care that CM Punk is shacking up with Beth Phoenix? Do you care that he rolls out of bed, leaves her lying there, and goes to the gym? Do you care if he opens his laptop and syncs to his home DVR and watches last night's Bulls game? Is it of any import whatsoever what he had for lunch, or what his mother said when she called him before dinner? NO. You care what happens when CM Punk is on the air, in that ring, pipe bomb in hand, about to make someone GTS. Other than that? Everything else is just fodder. Sometimes parts of it become relevant, like Punk's straight-edge lifestyle or Daniel Bryan's environmental-consciousness or veganism; but it's window dressing. The important things are what happens in the ring, and what the consequences of those happenings are.
Like "Parroting" the only method for controlling this method of "sand bagging" is subjective at best: make it part of the judging criteria, and make sure the judges are aware of it.
Closing
The RP limit question is an easy enough issue to resolve. Put it to a vote or just make it a rule and let the chips fall where they may. The sandbagging issue, apart from putting restrictions on post timing (both rules I cited up there work well, I'd lean more towards only allowing one post on deadline day than requiring a 24 hour lapse cause hey, sometimes we get busy!) doesn't have a "hard" answer. As Dennis Miller used to say, "that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."
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Post by stefanraab on May 6, 2012 15:58:27 GMT -6
I never ever do 2 RP's because I just don't have the time to do 2 so I always do 1 RP only also I don't have more ideas for another RP. Never really liked the whole idea of two RP's cos it kind of gives that opponent more chance of a win than someone that does 1 RP only. I personally like this idea.
Word limit shouldn't matter on the other hand. Maybe have somewhat of a word minimum but not maximum.
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