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Post by Maniac on Nov 14, 2009 14:47:09 GMT -6
I went to a North East Wrestling show last night with a friend of mine where Mr Anderson and Paul London were wrestling and Bret Hart was there to do an in ring interview.
Ken Anderson was awesome. The dude cut a great pre match promo, had an uncanny connection with the crowd, put on a solid match with Romeo Rossetti, second only to London vs Jason Blade. Anderson is easily the future of any company who hires him and the fact wwe fired him for nothing and tna has yet to hire this guy is sickening. Anderson, IMO could be the next Steve Austin, and instead he's wrestling at Crosby High School in Waterbury, CT. If Anderson comes to a town near you, I'm telling you to pay the 10 or 15 dollar fee to see him work his magic, because he is well worth the price of admission.
London, on a lesser note, put on a spectacular match with Jason Blade that saw London capture the NEW Heavy Weight Title. London has this whole space man gimmick which is pretty entertaining, though in the two times this year I've seen him, he hasn't cut a promo.
Bret Hart just talked, I've never seen Bret Hart in person, it was amazing to finally see my all time favorite wrestler in the flesh, but I basically paid to hear him tell me he has allot of fond memories of CT... BUT ITS BRET HART!!!! I jizzed in my pants when I heard his music in person. Seriously.
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Post by Maniac on Nov 14, 2009 14:48:45 GMT -6
Oh, and NEW paid Jim The Anvil Neidhart to do a side head lock and three clothes lines in a six man tag... No, I'm not kidding. Dude probably made more than Paul London too...
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Post by Keybo Shabaz on Nov 14, 2009 16:22:28 GMT -6
Yeah, more than London sounds about right. After all prescription drug prices are insane.
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Post by Curtis D. Kanyon on Nov 14, 2009 17:43:44 GMT -6
That sounds like a kick ass night. I need to go to an indie show sometime.
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Post by Xavier Williams on Nov 14, 2009 17:49:18 GMT -6
Anderson got fired for injury prone, London got fired for being a douche...
Speaking of indy show, why the **** is Brian Kendrick in Dragon Gate, he was in, what could be, the oddest match of the show...
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Post by Will Washington on Nov 14, 2009 20:46:54 GMT -6
Anderson is too injury prone for my taste, but he's my pic base, so I give him respect.
And yeah, London's a huge d-bag, but he can wrestle pretty sickly.
I wish I could meet Bret, he's my all time favorite.
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Post by Maniac on Nov 15, 2009 8:28:21 GMT -6
From what I've read he's not so much injury prone, its the people he faces not knowing how to wrestle.
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Post by Xavier Williams on Nov 15, 2009 20:59:02 GMT -6
Injuring the top 2 draws of your company is a quick way to find a pink slip in your future, too...
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Post by Will Washington on Nov 15, 2009 21:42:39 GMT -6
This is what I can remember of Kennedy's injury proneness.
Injured Hardcore Holly in October at No Mercy 2005. Injured December 2005. Injured May 2007. Suspended September 2007. Injured John Cena October 2007. Injured August 2008. Almost injured Orton May 2009. Fired.
That's not a reliable guy.
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Post by Curtis D. Kanyon on Nov 16, 2009 2:57:42 GMT -6
Didn't he also injure Bobby Lashley when he was getting his big Raw push?
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Post by Jack Wilde on Nov 16, 2009 12:27:38 GMT -6
I tought Kennedy was wrestling at Big Japan Pro Wrestling , well , that's new.
And I also tought he was going to the Hulkamania Tour.
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Post by JFK on Nov 16, 2009 18:39:59 GMT -6
Actually rewatch the tape, Orton over jumped the back body drop then cried back stage like a little bitch about Anderson ****ing it up when he didnt.
They also pushed him to come back too soon hence the re-injury, he's only had two major injuries that were never properly healed before they brought him back.
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Post by Will Washington on Nov 16, 2009 18:53:44 GMT -6
2 Major injuries and a bunch more minor injuries in a span of less than 4 years isn't good. Plus injuring others adds to that. He probably spent more time injured/suspended/filming a movie than he did in the ring. He was pretty dangerous to work with.
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Post by The Reverend James Bradley on Nov 17, 2009 16:58:14 GMT -6
on the Bret Hart Subject, i saw him do the same thing in England with 1PW, which was awesome, the card also included Kevin Thorne, (who nobody gave a shiny ****e about), Abyss, colt cobana and Doug williams of TNA's British invasion. was an awesome show! i've always been a kenedy/anderson fan tbh, he gets hurt and hurts people because, like a lot of wwe talent these days, has been badly trained by wwe and rained to only work the wwe way (which is why he can appear lazy in the ring) i think he'd be a massive catch for TNA with his charisma and mic work, although they would treat him like the second coming of the rock!!
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Post by JFK on Nov 17, 2009 18:41:28 GMT -6
he kinds should be treated like that, he's a mix of the rock and SCSA imo.
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Post by Rob Diamond on Nov 17, 2009 18:53:08 GMT -6
Thorne is the man, I wish TNA would hire him to and let him run with Raven/Richards/Daffney.
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Post by Xavier Williams on Nov 17, 2009 21:57:58 GMT -6
Why go to TNA?
Becuase that helped...
Joe? No.
Daniels? No.
AJ? Maybe
Angle? No.
Sting? No.
Steiner? No.
Booker? No.
Morgan? No.
Dudleys? No.
Lashley? No.
Unless your a Knockout, there is nothing in TNA to help you grow... **** the ring production hasn't even gotten better.. (Watch Bound for Glory '09 for proof... or any ep of impact)
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Post by The Reverend James Bradley on Nov 19, 2009 8:31:17 GMT -6
i think TNA has got loads better in recent months. people like AJ, Joe and danniels would have been totally wasted in WWE, and would not have been world champions like AJ and Joe have been in TNA, so how you could say it hasn't helped them(AJ turned down a WWE developmental contract a few weeks before TNA made an offer). Angle wanted to wrestle and WWE wanted him on a minnimum wrestling contract, that's why he went, and booker T/dudleys went for the lighter workload for probably similar/more money than they were on in wwe. plus, do you think you'd really get to see amazing red going nuts with his stupidly fast offense on Raw or smackdown?
with bischoff on board i expect things to get much more exciting, and the publicity garnered from the hogan deal, a lot of people are going to check TNA out. in the UK TNA can be seen in more households than the WWE can be which is unprecedented for a flagship show.
and to be honest, it is putting out better programing than WWE is at the moment with the DX bum-a-long "lets sell more t-shirts and stupid green neck bands" bull**** reunion.
Ken would look really good in TNA and i think could have some great feuds with the likes of styles, joe, morgan and angle.
long live TNA, i hope they manage to give WWE a run for their money, maybe we'll get better programing all round like the hight of the Monday night wars!.
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Post by The Reverend James Bradley on Nov 19, 2009 8:31:41 GMT -6
sorry... I've had a slight rant there.
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Post by Xavier Williams on Nov 19, 2009 13:26:39 GMT -6
Here's the problem... Hogan is not hyping TNA, period. Tey mention Hogan every 2 seconds on Impact or even PPVs (their even doing an angle about him), but Hogan, not since day 1 , as made any mention of TNA ever since he went on this, "Buy My Book" tour. Hell he hypes his own Tour more than TNA...
And PLEEEAAASSSEEE quit with the small guy arguement: HBK, CM Punk, Jeff Hardy,Matt Hardy, Christian, Edge, Rey, Jericho, Morrison, Miz, Kofi, MVP, Bourne, Tatsu... All guys under 245 all seem to have had success in the WWE.
And what has TNA to put people over? Joe has REGRESSED since being in TNA. And that says something seeing as he could of been considered the best wrestler in the world '04-'05 but he has gotten worse... Daniels is stagnant, and only Aj has shown any improvement. We get the 3-Way last PPVs, but no explanation why Joe or Daniels are even in the match, seeing as they both lost the PPV prior. Wrestling wise, TNA is okay, but Christ alive at least attempt to make us care about who you are pushing against your champions.
TNA started out a scam for Jarrett's old buddies to keep a pay check and they couldn't even SCAM right.. the Hogan thing is a shot in the arm, but it is far from a decent cure, IMHO TNA needs to rebuild COMPLETELY.
Tour more around Florida and the areas around it. Grow that viewer base. Dont go to ****ing California when you can't even sell out HALF the arena... and that is after giving away tickets.
Get rid of the roster fat (which is a LOT)
Bring in capable mid-card guys who can work a decent TV match. And work with the younger talent. Guys who are the equivalent to a Finlay, Golddust, or a Regal.
New production staff, they are constantly missing camera angles and big spot stuff
Push what sells, the Knockouts are the top draws in TNA (and are usually the highest rated segment of the night), not more KO matches but give them some spots later int he night, hell even a main event slot on TV wont hurt.
It is gonna take more than a scam artist to save TNA.
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Post by Will Washington on Nov 19, 2009 14:28:16 GMT -6
The idea that Hogan joining the company is going to make it something that people will tune in to see if laughable. The week they announced his debut the episode got the amazing rating of......1.3. Smackdown comes on a channel with no new programming, and it still gets around a 2.
Now they're bringing in Sid, a guy I used to love. But what the hell do they expect him to do? Why don't they just hire Tony Shiavone and get him to announce the matches too. If they wanna be WCW soo badly, they're well on there way. With the has-been talent, the ridiculous gimmick matches, and the out of left field angles, it's looking that way. How long before AJ is digging a giant hole in the desert when Matt Morgan attacks him and throws him in it?
TNA needs to realize that if people want to watch the Boca Vista Retirement Home on TV, they could just go back and watch the WCW DVDs that WWE puts out. Back when a guy like Steiner could actually move around the ring. They need to focus on the fast pased X Division, and push the guys people care about. The Motor City MachineGuns are consistently raved about, but for some reason they never seen to be on TV. They got a tag title match....and lost. Amazing Red is doing great right now, but who knows what will happen with that. DeAngelo Dinero got over big with the fans so they made him face, that's understandable. Then they do an angle where he and Suicide respect each other out of nowhere, despite feuding last month.
I don't think they understand what people want. Instead of showing town hall meetings where Dixie Carter basically tells everyone to love Hogan or get out, they could have shown 2 matches. Considering all of their matches are 3 minutes long. They need to get a focus group together and actually learn what people care about. Because seeing Steiner hit on Lashley's wife, and AJ getting attacked like 4 times before revealing who is doing it, isn't keeping the people interested. You get the same 1.1 rating of people watching, and that's just the people who claim that WWE sucks. I'd take Chris Jericho over Hulk Hogan any day.
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Post by JFK on Nov 19, 2009 17:21:32 GMT -6
I'm calling it now, some d-list celebrity will be tna world champion with in a year.
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Post by Maniac on Nov 19, 2009 19:45:38 GMT -6
I don't claim WWE sucks, I know it to be a fact. Cena is boring and they haven't made me care about a single wrestler there in over four years. Orton has become stale, old and predictable. Taker/HBK/HHH are all jokes of their former selves. Rey is a glorified jobber. Batista was never cool. CM Punk is a ray of light in a completely blacked out room.
As for TNA, I can't make people love it or like it. I enjoy TNA, from beginning to end. The matches can be too short sometimes, and yeah, some of their angles and booking are wacky, but I'll take their minor mistakes over DX and Sir BoresAlot any day of the week. If you like watching Cena do the same five moves, more power to you. I'd rather watch shaky camera angles and AJ Styles.
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Post by Will Washington on Nov 19, 2009 19:58:32 GMT -6
Edward. Tsk tsk. I thought you were better than pulling the "5 moves" card. Every wrestler has 5 moves that you see in ever match. Whether it's Cena with his, or AJ with his. It's something that happens so that you know the match is turning around, and if it's a big match, it will get reversed. It's how wrestling works. And if you care so much about DX's mic work instead of their wrestling skill, then that's silly. Give me one guy in TNA with more charisma than the top WWE guys. AJ with his southern accent? He's just like Jeff Hardy. (But more talented.) Samoa Joe? Has he ever cut a memorable TNA promo? All wrestling gets stale to people, it's a fact of life. If you watch it long enough, you'll get bored. But is seeing Mic Foley switch alignment every week better than seeing John Cena? I doubt it. I'm not a Cena fan at all, but he occassionally is hilarious.
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Post by Xavier Williams on Nov 19, 2009 20:20:33 GMT -6
Same old arguments... No new proof.
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Post by Cliff Clinton on Nov 19, 2009 20:21:19 GMT -6
Thank you Will.....
The five move card is getting ridiculous.
I've seen Cena do more than five moves, but the five your referring to are called trademarks.
If your gonna bag on Cena, then you better bag on Taker, Jericho, HHH, HBK, Styles, Joe, and everybody else because they all do it too.
Wrestling is getting stale to us because....well...how long have we watched it? How many times have you seen Undertaker cut his throat? Or HBK nip up after a big move? Or HHH spit his water.
We can bitch and moan but really wrestling these days isnt even geared towards us, but the younger kids who believe in it with there little minds.
WWE does what it wants to because there is nobody that can compete with them. TNA is good, I do enjoy it dont get me wrong, but becoming WCW version two isnt going to help them out in the long run. WCW 1 already tried being WCW and look what happened to them.
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Post by Joe Everyman on Nov 20, 2009 0:26:34 GMT -6
Thank you Will..... The five move card is getting ridiculous. I've seen Cena do more than five moves, but the five your referring to are called trademarks. If your gonna bag on Cena, then you better bag on Taker, Jericho, HHH, HBK, Styles, Joe, and everybody else because they all do it too. Wrestling is getting stale to us because....well...how long have we watched it? How many times have you seen Undertaker cut his throat? Or HBK nip up after a big move? Or HHH spit his water. We can bitch and moan but really wrestling these days isnt even geared towards us, but the younger kids who believe in it with there little minds. WWE does what it wants to because there is nobody that can compete with them. TNA is good, I do enjoy it dont get me wrong, but becoming WCW version two isnt going to help them out in the long run. WCW 1 already tried being WCW and look what happened to them. Amen brother
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Post by Maniac on Nov 20, 2009 17:19:58 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm gonna be the first to admit, whatever TNA thinks their doing right now is baffling the crap out of me. Hogan? Sid? I have no idea what Dixie thinks she's going to get from them and to be honest I'm happier without them in TNA. As for Cena's five moves, I'm talking about his two minute matches on Raw against The Miz earlier this year where he'd literally beat Miz by doing the same five to seven moves over and over again. I'm all for trademarks, I'm not all for the "Kevin Nash School of Wrestling" and anyone who can name ten moves they've seen Nash do in the last year can have my second born child. AS for getting stale and all that, yeah, wrestling does get stale to me too, WWE has gotten especially stale to me after they killed the attitude era and continued to shove HHH down my throat. I watch wrestling for the in ring stuff, if a guy can talk, great, but I'd rather see Joe/Daniels/AJ beating each other up then watch HHH talk about chickens and make fun of Mcmahon. Again, TNA has its problems, I know that, I see them, and I don't deny them, but I still prefer their over all product because it just entertains me more. I know when I watch Impact there will be atleast two matches that'll rock my socks off, I don't have that sort of promise with WWE, mostly because all their younger guys are rushed through developmental and their older guys can't move anymore. I will say this however, Edge is god, and if he and Punk were to ever grace our screens with a feud on Raw or Smackdown, I'd probably watch it.
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Post by JFK on Nov 21, 2009 11:52:54 GMT -6
so the two matches they actually have per week you mean
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Post by Will Washington on Nov 21, 2009 16:11:24 GMT -6
This is what the report said about the Ken Anderson/Sean Morley (Val Venis) match on the Hulkamania Tour:
* Ken Anderson defeated Sean Morley in a horrible match. Anderson didn’t use his Kennedy schtick but replaced it with Anderson and was good on the mic. However, he looked like crap and he and the former Val Venis stunk the place up with this one. Kennedy won with the Mic Check.
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