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Post by Angel on Jul 8, 2008 5:28:16 GMT -6
In true "We're not sure this guy can really pull in ratings" fashion, CM Punk head lines the ten o clock hour in a match against Snitsky. Now everyone does remember Chris Benoit defending the World title against Kane at PPV where the main event was HHH Vs HBK right?
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Post by Adam on Jul 8, 2008 6:03:55 GMT -6
In true "We're not sure this guy can really pull in ratings" fashion, CM Punk head lines the ten o clock hour in a match against Snitsky. Now everyone does remember Chris Benoit defending the World title against Kane at PPV where the main event was HHH Vs HBK right? That's only because Trips and HBK were putting the PPV "over". They selflessly stepped out of the world title picture, and humbly headlined the PPV instead.
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Post by Jon Michaels on Jul 8, 2008 6:40:25 GMT -6
Yeah, but the match was HIAC. I don't think they're going to put on a HIAC in the middle of the PPV, it'd kill the audience.
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Post by Angel on Jul 8, 2008 10:06:20 GMT -6
Fact remains, Punk is champion, Cena and JBL will head line GAB anyways. Adam, your the man.
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Post by Adam on Jul 8, 2008 10:57:49 GMT -6
Hell in a Cell or not, it was still the two men that he made submit at consecutive PPV's (one of which was winning the title at Wrestlemania), headlining the PPV instead of him.
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Post by Xavier Williams on Jul 8, 2008 13:36:48 GMT -6
Kane vs Beniot = no buys
HHH vs HBK = MANY BUYZ~!
Dont forget that Beniot didnt really draw well when he was champ, which lead to them giving the title to Orton.
And HHH vs Edge will be the Headline Match, but I see Batista vs Punk the Match before that or 3rd to last... but IDK with them building RAW as the power brand and the unpredictability of Punk being champ, he might get the headline shot.
And I think Batista vs Punk is a smart move, if Punk loses, then he lost, but he lost to Batista (who's been champ and can easily overpower him) and if they make Punk look good in the showing (by being gutsy and staying in the fight), then it really doesn't hurt him, it helps him, TBH. But if Punk goes over at the GAB, that will do WONDERS for Punk and his credibility has champion.
And I'm the only one who thinks it was a major mistake for them to have Punk drop the Anaconda Vice, a move like that could help him in these bookings with power opponents. I'd mark like a bitch if he busts it out at the GAB
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Post by Jon Michaels on Jul 8, 2008 14:10:43 GMT -6
Yeah, the Vice ruled. Or, he could go Generico and do the Brainbustah! to Bats. One can dream, can't he?
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Post by Adam on Jul 8, 2008 14:18:16 GMT -6
The Vice is a lot better than the GTS (does he still use that?).
Which is just horrid.
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Post by Ricky Johnson on Jul 8, 2008 14:18:18 GMT -6
Kane vs Beniot = no buys HHH vs HBK = MANY BUYZ~! If I remember correctly, HHH and HBK had a HUGE build-up with music video hype and everything. Kane won a battle royal to face Chris Benoit....and had NO hype afterward whatsoever. That was for like two weeks. That was WWE creative, the focus was on HHH/HBK, not Kane/Benoit, not on the World Heavyweight title match. And for the Hell in a Cell comment, remember Summerslam 94....97....both had STEEL CAGE matches, which were NOT the main event. In fact the Bret/Owen cage match I think was like 3rd from the main event. HHH/Mankind OPENED Summerslam 97. Gimmick Match does not = main event.
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Post by Adam on Jul 8, 2008 14:20:23 GMT -6
Benoit's whole title reign seemed like it was more about HBK and HHH than it was about Benoit. Even after winning the Rumble from the 1st position, it was still about HBK and HHH's last man standing match that deserved a rematch. Then after Benoit won, it still seemed like the main focus of the world title was HBK and HHH even though neither of them had it. The entire time it felt like WWE was trying to get Benoit over by billing HBK and HHH... and it typically just doesn't work that way.
Granted they were fighting an uphill battle because HHH and HBK have a lot more charisma than Benoit ever had, but if you book shows right and bill shows right you can make almost anybody into a draw.
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Post by JFK on Jul 8, 2008 14:47:27 GMT -6
and lets not forget rey rey's title run where he got beat down by EVERYONE
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Post by Xavier Williams on Jul 8, 2008 15:58:19 GMT -6
And Punk can have a Rey Rey like reign, where he is the Underdog in EVERY match and finds a way to win... if the whole Eddie stigma from the IWC wasn't so horrid, Rey's title reign was something that we could have enjoyed, basically from having the biggest Underdog winning in the end
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Post by Dante Cross on Jul 8, 2008 20:05:18 GMT -6
Kane vs Beniot = no buys HHH vs HBK = MANY BUYZ~! Dont forget that Beniot didnt really draw well when he was champ, which lead to them giving the title to Orton. And HHH vs Edge will be the Headline Match, but I see Batista vs Punk the Match before that or 3rd to last... but IDK with them building RAW as the power brand and the unpredictability of Punk being champ, he might get the headline shot. And I think Batista vs Punk is a smart move, if Punk loses, then he lost, but he lost to Batista (who's been champ and can easily overpower him) and if they make Punk look good in the showing (by being gutsy and staying in the fight), then it really doesn't hurt him, it helps him, TBH. But if Punk goes over at the GAB, that will do WONDERS for Punk and his credibility has champion. And I'm the only one who thinks it was a major mistake for them to have Punk drop the Anaconda Vice, a move like that could help him in these bookings with power opponents. I'd mark like a bitch if he busts it out at the GAB Once again, you fail to realize, the WWE wasn't trying to focus upon Benoit drawing, it was most likely about, Meh, Let's give Benoit the Title, and kind of forget about it. I mean honestly, regardless, the Raw brand from the time Benoit, won the belt, till he lost it, wasn't about Benoit, it was about Evolution and Triple H. I mean, honestly, when Benoit and Trips had the Ironman Match, you can tell, the WWE focus wasn't on Benoit, but evolving the fued between Triple H and Eugene.
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Post by Xavier Williams on Jul 8, 2008 21:31:31 GMT -6
It Started to be about Beniot though, I'm sure they wouldnt of gone through the Eddie/Beniot thing at the end of WM, if they didnt TRY to make it about him, but with people like Trips and HBK running around, it is easy to see why he got pushed to the side.
And TBH, it's not like the HHH/HBK promos/matches weren't gold.
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Post by Dante Cross on Jul 9, 2008 1:31:42 GMT -6
It Started to be about Beniot though, I'm sure they wouldnt of gone through the Eddie/Beniot thing at the end of WM, if they didnt TRY to make it about him, but with people like Trips and HBK running around, it is easy to see why he got pushed to the side. And TBH, it's not like the HHH/HBK promos/matches weren't gold. The Whole Wrestlemania thing was about being Benoit one moment, outside of that, The WWE never gave him a chance to run with the ball, and yes the Triple H/HBM were good, considering around that time, was the only person Triple H would show effort against. But this isn't about Triple H. It's about Benoit, and how while he may never of drawed, He was never in a position to do so. Plus PPV Buyrate and Draws are always based upon the Main Event of the show, which always had HBM and HHH in them.
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Post by Chris Kahne on Jul 9, 2008 1:54:54 GMT -6
I found a statistic sometime ago that said since the World Heavyweight Championship started on Raw, the Raw Championship, weither it be the WHW or WWE, was contested all but 2 TIMES by Triple H, John Cena or Randy Orton...and, those two times it didn't have one of those three in it, HHH, Orton or Cena were in the MAIN EVENT of the PPV...RE****INGTARDED! And you say Triple H has no say.....that clears up the HHH/HBK thing.
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Post by Dante Cross on Jul 9, 2008 2:01:42 GMT -6
You mean HBM
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Post by Angel on Jul 9, 2008 5:35:26 GMT -6
Benoit was never given a chance to draw, and IMO seeing Punk squahing Snitsky at ten o clock on Raw means they are going to do the same thing to him. Punk will be champion for three, four months, but the whole time it will be about Cena earning a title match against Punk. New question. If the spinner title is on SD what happens WHEN Cena wins the World title, will he make a new spinner title?
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Post by Adam on Jul 9, 2008 6:07:38 GMT -6
Benoit was never given a chance to draw, and IMO seeing Punk squahing Snitsky at ten o clock on Raw means they are going to do the same thing to him. Punk will be champion for three, four months, but the whole time it will be about Cena earning a title match against Punk. New question. If the spinner title is on SD what happens WHEN Cena wins the World title, will he make a new spinner title? For the love of God I hope not. And it doesn't matter who's running around on the roster... just because HHH is on the roster doesn't mean he should always have the belt and always be in the main event, that's part of pushing somebody, you take a back seat to that person. Whenever you put the belt on somebody's waist the top angles should be about them, no matter how good the wrestlers are around him, it has to be about him (and whoever he is facing of course), if you don't do that, then of course his reign will look like crap. Let me try this in Efed terms. I know it's not the same but maybe my point will be seen. Lets say Lance won the title from Spike and Manson at Sovereign like he really did. However after he won the belt, I would have kept pumping up Spike Kane vs. Jack Manson. Two men who battled for the National title in the Barb Wire Cage, two men who were in opposite stable factions, two men who battled it out for the world title and had a decent history with each other. And leading up to A Night to Remember that's all I billed on the card notes, and in the match descriptions, I even put their pictures on the main page of the site. At ANTR the main event was Spike Kane vs. Jack Manson: HIAC...... what do you think the impression a new comer to nCw would get? The would of course think that Spike Kane and Manson are more important than the world champion, and that Spike and Jack were getting the better angles to work, and more billling because they were better than Lance, and were simply not in the title match. Even though he had just beat both of them. And I'm sure Lance would be decently annoyed by it, if not out right POed, and he'd be justified in feeling that way.
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Post by Angel on Jul 9, 2008 10:18:54 GMT -6
Adam, that is exactly right and it's exactly what we are seeing with CM Punk.
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Post by Xavier Williams on Jul 9, 2008 14:57:01 GMT -6
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!!
Punk has been champ for 9 days and it is safe to say they are not burying him. It isn't all about JBL/Cena... b/c if u think about it revolves around Punk... JBL bullies Punk into a title match and Cena comes to his defense, JBL has his cronies and Cena offers backup w/ Cryme Tyme, JBL says he was screwed and wants another shot, Cena says he had his turn. They are all fighting to get to Punk, Punk is at the top and this shows that. And the ENTIRE FIRST HOUR was devoted to Punk. Where as on SD! HHH only got the opening segment.
And to compare Punk to Beniot... I think that is a little to far, I would compare Punk to Rey-Rey in terms of champion, b/c no matter who Punk faces he is going to be the Underdog ALL the time, and a win over ****ski, can't be that bad, seeing as only Cena and HHH has beaten him in recent memory.
But like I said in the first place, he has only been champ for 9 days and they JUST got his opponent lined up and now it is build up... and I have to say I love the unpredictability, it MAKES you want to tune in and watch RAW, just to see what happens.
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Post by Angel on Jul 9, 2008 20:16:09 GMT -6
I'll tune in, but I fear for what I may see.
I see your point man, and I'm not trying to argue.
I just felt like they were more concerned about building a match between Cena and JBL for GAB than they were for getting Punk an opponent. I would have liked to see Punk ring side perhaps? Commentary? Or he could have fought a more high caliber opponent earlier in the show? It was just sort of a... I don't know, let down for his first full Raw as champion. I was expecting something else you know?
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Post by JFK on Jul 10, 2008 7:26:20 GMT -6
its showing punk is willing to fight anyone anywhere i thought it was pretty good
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