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Post by Angel on Mar 22, 2008 22:10:45 GMT -6
The new ECW died for me when... Wait... When Sabu had to wrestle Big Show in a normal match.... No... That wasn't it... Big Show and Batista for the ECW title in the Hammerstein ball room. Yeah, it died for me there. Of course, out of some sick kind of loyalty I only just stopped watching ECW weekly about a month ago... I can't believe I lasted so long.
I was wondering, and bull**** me an answer if you don't know. How come Vince thought it was a good idea to... Let Sabu leave, let RVD leave, bring Sandman to Raw and let him leave, bury Balls, bury CW Anderson as well as many other originals, Continue the epic mis use of Richards, and make no attempt to cater to the ECW fans at all? And a follow up question. Why bring in any new guys in the beginning like Knox or Thorn, only to forget about them. I mean one day I'm watching ECW and Thorn isn't a vampire any more. Why? No one knows. Now I hear he wrestles under his real name of Fertig. What the ****? It's like Thorn was one of maybe a handful of good things on ECW, and you kill it. A handful meaning, Punk, RVD, Sabu, Sandman, and Thorn... Vince just kill me before Big Daddy V faces Chavo for the ECW title at Wrestlmainia...
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Post by Adam on Mar 22, 2008 22:24:04 GMT -6
The new ECW died for me when... Wait... When Sabu had to wrestle Big Show in a normal match.... No... That wasn't it... Big Show and Batista for the ECW title in the Hammerstein ball room. Yeah, it died for me there. Of course, out of some sick kind of loyalty I only just stopped watching ECW weekly about a month ago... I can't believe I lasted so long. I was wondering, and bulls**t me an answer if you don't know. How come Vince thought it was a good idea to... Let Sabu leave, let RVD leave, bring Sandman to Raw and let him leave, bury Balls, bury CW Anderson as well as many other originals, Continue the epic mis use of Richards, and make no attempt to cater to the ECW fans at all? And a follow up question. Why bring in any new guys in the beginning like Knox or Thorn, only to forget about them. I mean one day I'm watching ECW and Thorn isn't a vampire any more. Why? No one knows. Now I hear he wrestles under his real name of Fertig. What the f**k? It's like Thorn was one of maybe a handful of good things on ECW, and you kill it. A handful meaning, Punk, RVD, Sabu, Sandman, and Thorn... Vince just kill me before Big Daddy V faces Chavo for the ECW title at Wrestlmainia... My only guess is that....... Vince is a d*ck head who believes his way is always the right way to do things, and thinks the fans will like it just because he says they will. If more people would stop watching, instead of watching every week and complaining about it on the internet, Vince would be forced to change his fed like he did in the Attitude era. Like Trent complains every week, but he's always watching it. lolZ.
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Post by Angel on Mar 22, 2008 22:45:36 GMT -6
LOL. I read an interview with RVD where he said that Vince told him that the people at the one night stand ppvs, and at all the other venues they go to cheer ECW because Vince has taught them too over the last three or four years. He claims Vince told him that the people at the hammerstein ball room were probably the only people who even remember the original ECW.
I read that and I almost drove to Stanford and killed him. I live like an hour away, I could do it.
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Post by Ricky Johnson on Mar 22, 2008 23:24:43 GMT -6
RVD was on NODQ.com and did an interview in three parts where he discussed Vince brining back the original ECW.
He says Vince was happy with the success of ONS '05, and was inspired to bring back ECW.
RVD later says in the early day of the new ECW, it WASN'T EVEN PROMOTED on shows and never announced to international crowds.
RVD voiced his opinion as to why Vince and WWE would not allow ECW to grow, and making most WWE guys going over ECW originals. He told Vince that it's not going to work, because it's not ECW.
Vince says "It's going to work, because I'm going to make it Work."
RVD said at that point, he was disgusted with ECW, and was wrestling until his arrest for possession. RVD acted like he wasn't sorry, as Vince would have hoped.
Hence, RVD is released.
Sabu was part of that arrest, and henceforth, he was released.
Sandman was the one ECW Original (other than Dreamer) who seemed to be drawing any crowd reaction, so, WWE has to have all the biggest names on Raw. So Sandman was used to put talent over on Raw. I would be frustrated too, and he too was released.
My opinion of why Vince doesn't want to cater to ECW fans is due to them being real, and rejecting the product, most noteably during the Batista/Big Show match, where fans chanted "You both suck" "change the channel" and "boring". Vince, I feel, was angry at people actually rejecting his product.
Paul Heyman publically stated that ECW ONS '05 should have been the ONLY ECW PPV that WWE promoted. As the only reason for the '06 show, was so that RVD could beat John Cena. And he left after Vince rejected Paul's idea of how to do the December to Dismember's elimination chamber.
He wanted Big Show to go out, and get choked out by CM Punk in the first 5 minutes, so at the end, no matter what, there would be a new ECW champion. Vince didn't like that idea, more so because Big Show did.
Vince doesn't promote or like ECW, because it isn't HIS. He didn't create it, nor spark it's run.
He just bought it.
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Post by Xavier Williams on Mar 23, 2008 13:56:09 GMT -6
WWE, IMO is trying to right the ship since losing A LOT of their stars in 2007, and in righting the ship, we have to deal with the mainstays (HHH, Cena, Orton, HBK, Edge, 'Taker) than the newer ones. Which, IMO,is a good thing, they are the vets so I expect them to take the full brunt of the load while guys like MVP and Punk still have room to grow.
TNA... if Joe wins at Lockdown... everything, EVERYTHING woiuld have been worth it. Becuase they would of had a full grown "TNA Guy" and not some WWE talent, a guy who made a mainstream name for him in TNA with an addition to his Indy Fame.
RoH... well 2007 was my transformation into a RoHBot. But that came mostly off the 2004-2006 shows. And 2007... was a good growing year for RoH
Age of the Fall Briscoes Steen/Generico And all the Faction Warfare
but, my beef with the PPVs, is that they are based on shows, MONTHS ago, Rising Above was taped before FB '07 and FB '07 was released and Rising Above hit air a few weeks ago. (Nigel's nose was busted at FB... but it happened with his match with Aries) if they can air these PPVs faster or prehaps even live (shorter card and pretaped segements) maybe that will do it for me. But, with the exception of Undeniable, all of the PPVs have been good. But I see 2008 has another growing year, and maybe in '09 they will shoot for a TV deal, and if they do... HBO... look what they did for Boxing.
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Post by Matt Shannon on Mar 23, 2008 13:58:59 GMT -6
God, I wouldn't be surprised if Styles kills himself after calling an ECW Rules match between Big Daddy V and Boogeyman...... That's if Big Daddy V-Cup doesn't eat Styles first.
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Post by Xavier Williams on Mar 23, 2008 14:01:04 GMT -6
Double Post
Vince is an egomanical asshat... but that is why he is a billionaire. Say what you want about him, but he did revolutionize Sports Entertainment... and he didnt do it, by being nice... and Heyman admitted that and Im sure anyone who has dealt with him will do so as well.
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Post by Reckoning on Mar 23, 2008 14:10:19 GMT -6
Anybody else seen Big Daddy V live? I'm still recovering from the sever vommiting induced by the jigglies.
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Post by Angel on Mar 24, 2008 10:22:57 GMT -6
I saw him live. It was horrible. He squashed a jobber. Then they played his music through the break, then he squashed Dreamer. I threw up, ask Falcon.
Honestly I don't care what Vince did to be number one. What he did to beat the competition is why I watched. However, it's like he has forgotten what made him the best in the business, we did. The fans accepting what he was doing. Now we don't accept it, or at least a growing number of people don't accept it. And he just ignores us as "internet smarks" and not wrestling fans. He thinks that people like me are only a small percentage of his audience, when in fact the number grows everytime Impact's ratings go up. Vince has the roster to be better than even the attitude era. He's just not using it right. IMO the roster split needs to end. Raw and Smackdown need to be one show. So Batista can feud with Orton, Taker with HHH and so on. ECW should become like a televised version of a developmental show. More or less like it is now, but with a better roster. Perhaps even a second hour. That way he could go back to building ppvs with two shows, Raw and Smackdown, and still have "ECW" to use as a developmental show. But he won't. He's so convinced there isn't any competition that he makes his own, and in the end, to at least me, the product becomes un watchable. Carlito and Santino are the stupidest tag team ever. Holly and Rhodes is freaking gay. Crime Tyme was humorous, but he fires them. The red necks are solid, but used horribly. Is there even a tag division on Smackdown? I can't even talk about it anymore.
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Post by Reckoning on Mar 25, 2008 15:15:43 GMT -6
Tag team wrestling has been **** on way too much by Vince. London and Kendrick owned and then were immediately jobbed, Deuce And Domino are retarded, Jesse and Festus is just plain waisting Kash, and as for the other teams...wait, there aren't anymore 'real' teams, now are there? Nope. My point exactly.
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Post by Xavier Williams on Mar 27, 2008 4:48:57 GMT -6
I didnt say he was good... all I said is by him being an asshole, he was able to create what we know now is the WWE.
The simple answer to this is... he doesnt care, Vince Mcmahon knows what YOU want before you even know it. And, to me, that is a telltale sign that Vince needs to step down(which I heard he was going to do so in the next 5 years) and just hand the reigns to Shane and Trips. I think Shane will bring in a fresh business moind to the occasion and HHH knows the business, so he cant do much to harm.
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Post by Angel on Mar 27, 2008 10:17:45 GMT -6
I don't know. Hopefully HHH will no longer be wrestling when Vince steps down. And I hope shane takes over because he knows the fans way better than Steph. Atleast from what I have read online.
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Post by Justin Marsham on Apr 9, 2008 23:26:13 GMT -6
I'll comment briefly.
Why does Vince do what he does? I mean this in whole, regarding to ECW, Smackdown, and RAW. Why does he make the choices he does?
...because he can.
People complain about the shows, BUT they still watch.
He also has no competition.
TNA? Don't get me wrong, I think watching TNA is refreshing compared to WWE -- but it really isn't competition...yet. Maybe someday. But, not yet. And I think that's what Vince needs. He needs for TNA to do well. He needs some honest to goodness competition.
I'm pretty certain he could put two wrestlers dressed in monkey suits in the ring and tell them to wrestle and people will still watch. I dunno entirely about that, but Viscera? Cena? Come'on. I know I'll probably get reamed for this one, but The Undertaker? I've liked the UT before, but he's boring to watch. Thank God Flair's gone. He was another boring one.
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Post by recklessjack on Apr 9, 2008 23:33:18 GMT -6
God bless the IWC, you never cease to make me laugh.
*Salutes*
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Post by Angel on Apr 10, 2008 5:27:23 GMT -6
People don't still watch. I am one of many who stopped watchng. Raw this week, got late 2000 Nitro ratngs. A 3.3 Raw used to get 6, 7... 3.3 Thats Nitro. Thats half your audeience doesn't watch anymore because Cena, HHH, and everyone else you shove down our throats suck. I'd rather watch SharkBoy take on Elix Skipper every week than watch Cena VS Orton VS HHH at wrestlemania.
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