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Post by Samantha Star on May 28, 2009 19:17:14 GMT -6
It's desperately reminiscent of the times I forced myself to watch WCW Worldwide.
Come to think of it, TNA is pretty much WCW these days, picking up the talent WWE discards, giving them huge pushes and then burying them with lame-ass gimmicks or awful marketing. I understand that Vince claims copyright because he wants to hinder the progress of his competitors, but Team 3-D? No Introduction Needed/Kip James? These are just a few of the craptacular examples of the creative juggernaut that is TNA management.
So why am I forcing myself to watch this? Am I that into punishment?
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Post by Chris Brock on May 28, 2009 19:56:37 GMT -6
I would actualyl argue that TNA is on a massive upswing right now. With the signing of guys like Amazing Red, Trevor Murdoch, and now the additions of Raven, Sandman, Victoria and Elijah Burke and Shawn Spears, they are finalyl starting to round out their roster with good workers.
Is TNA perfect? Hell no, not by anymeans, but I would argue that given some time to get a lot more of their smaller workers contracts to expire, they will reduce down to about a 30 person roster( they are currently at almost 60) that will be a better version of what they are now. they are finally starting to offer the things that WWE is not. You want GOOD tag teams and credible tag team wrestling? Watch TNA. You want to see the best Female division in wrestling today? Watch TNA. If you leave out the MEM/Frontline storylines, TNA is really making a splash these days.
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Post by Alex Jones on May 28, 2009 20:10:18 GMT -6
TNA is doing the best they can product wise with what they have. They have better performers than the WWE by far, and the great performers Vince has get held back. CM Punk went from an indy wrestling idol who had amazing matches and storys in ROH to being a ****ing power ranger, Vince has a million dollar budget, TNA doesn't.
I prefer TNA, sure Don West is annoying and a large portion of their storylines suck, but look at who TNA has roster wise. Guys who were there from the beginning. Sabin, Styles, Joe, Shelley, Daniels, Lethal, Kazarian(suicide whatever). Then they have great young guys they brought in like Matt Morgan, a guy who was let go cause The Undertaker chucked a hissy fit about a guy bigger and more athletic than him....
Sure TNA is right now under the thumb of Angle, Nash, Sting, Steiner and Booker but it won't last forever....Styles, Joe and Daniels have been pushed as main eventers, the motor city machine guns are given plenty of screen and ring time....TNA is my opinion is doing amazingly well despite their limited resources.
And as for the name's argument, Team 3-d is a bad ass name and Kip James?..well c'mon the guys name is "Monty Sopp" so anything is an improvement.
I much prefer TNA to WWE right now. I watch RAW for Orton, I watch Smackdown for Punk and I watch ECW for the Hart Dynasty. But I watch TNA for the whole prodect, cause even though it can get annoying I'd rather watch Kurt Angle and Sting than Cena and Ba(snore)tista
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Post by Cliff Clinton on May 28, 2009 22:01:56 GMT -6
I agree with all three of you actually.
TNA doesn't exactly own life or anything but its definately better wrestling wise than WWE. But they are using the WCW method of bringing in wwe guys and using them up to there full potential. But I mean....why wouldn't they? If you got a guy like Kurt Angle or Booker T who are always decent draws then why the hell wouldn't you pick them up and use them to get people to watch your show?
Like AJ said, alot of there homegrown talent is getting pushes and being built up as main eventers but really, until there sure they can get big draws with say...a Daniels vs Joe main event....there going to use Angle, Booker, Jarret, Nash and the like to fill there main events.
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Post by Curtis D. Kanyon on May 28, 2009 22:34:28 GMT -6
Yeah, you gotta have people with established names when your still getting only around 1's in ratings. Have the guys your building fight the guys that are well known. But TNA is really using a lot of the established former WWE talents. I think the storylines have been kind of stupid and random, but the actual wrestling is good. Especially X-division, and surprisingly women's division. I'd prefer less talk, more action, but TNA thinks they need storylines about unmasking video game characters and Abyss getting bitched by a man 1/4th his size to compete with WWE.
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Post by Xavier Williams on May 29, 2009 3:22:10 GMT -6
Anyone who puts money and time on Kurt Angle, deserves to go out of business... ****ing nutcase.
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Post by Samantha Star on May 29, 2009 8:58:06 GMT -6
Anyone who puts money and time on Kurt Angle, deserves to go out of business... ****ing nutcase. Aww, let's not go there. Kurt is a workhorse, which is why he got fired from WWE according to Vince. He wouldn't take time off, so Vince gave it to him in the form of a pink slip. (That totally makes sense, though... doesn't it?) +1. I actually found myself marking out for Victoria the other night, largely because I thought she retired but also because I know she's legitimately talented. I'd like to see ODB disappear completely, because I think she stands to denigrate the image of good women's wrestling with her indefensibly ****ty gimmick. And the tag division is bonkers good. I just couldn't see how strong their mid-card was because the upper card is jam-packed with guys who can't do it anymore like Mick Foley, Scott Steiner (referred to affectionately in my Raw Deal days as "Big Pooper Dump") and Kevin Nash. Sure, the Main Event Mafia is only slightly better than that stupid X Division angle he was doing, but so is shooting off my big toe with an AK-47. Lethal Consequences, Motor City Machine Guns, even the British Invasion have credibility. I've gone from thinking Jay Lethal's Randy Savage impression is hilarious to thinking it sucks to thinking it's hilarious again. I'd rather deal with that than Shark Boy's exasperated Steve Austin impression, but it was funny to see TNA fearlessly mock its competition. They even mock their fan base. Cody Deaner is pure comedy gold. Yeah, TNA is better than WWE, but it's starting to blur together a little. That's all I'm sayin'.
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Post by Chris Brock on May 29, 2009 11:16:37 GMT -6
I wouldn't go too far with the British Invasion. I personally think they are the ****s and need to be put away ASAP. I saw their match with Beer Money at Sacrifice and it was ****ing terrible. Beer Money could barely drag them through it.
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Post by Alex Jones on May 29, 2009 19:56:08 GMT -6
I'm sorry but I love the ODB gimmick. She's an "Anti diva" she can wrestle, she's not the "standard" type of womens wrestler..and to be honest when she's not in the "full" ODB get up Jessica Crestler(I think that's her name) is ****ing hot
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Post by JFK on May 30, 2009 11:12:17 GMT -6
Jessica Kresa
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Post by Xavier Williams on May 30, 2009 11:22:51 GMT -6
She still has Tig Ole Bittes
Tig Bits aside. TNA has been up and down. They have a goo drun... then they go back to complete ****e again. Take Sacrifice, The match is a Fatal 4 Way for the World Title... whoever gets the pin, gets the title... right? Well in TNA;s mind that isn't the case. Sting wins the match but doesn't win the title, WTF?!?!
He gets to lead the mafia, wtf cop out ending
On the good side its good the Guns are getting air time, and they are hinting at a possible push for Daniels in the future. And hey Victoria is in TNA now... I can dig it.
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Post by Samantha Star on May 30, 2009 11:57:52 GMT -6
Where do I acquire this "goo drun" you speak of? I'm stoked that they have Victoria over there, but it is still an exercise in scavenging what WWE doesn't want or need anymore. She is handily my favorite female wrestler in the history of everything. She also has tig ol' bitties. Proposition: Get Trinity back and get a stable of women with giant melons together to feud with Beautiful People. Watch ratings skyrocket. (Yes, it's completely counterintuitive to my plea for wholesome female wrestling. It's called hyperbole, kids. ) I digress. I need to see another Ultimate X Match, or another match like the "Losers Disband" match between AMW and Triple X from all those years ago. That's the stuff I want TNA to be made of, and I know they have the people to do it.
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Post by Cyrus Daniels on May 30, 2009 12:10:52 GMT -6
Where do I acquire this "goo drun" you speak of? I'm stoked that they have Victoria over there, but it is still an exercise in scavenging what WWE doesn't want or need anymore. She is handily my favorite female wrestler in the history of everything. She also has tig ol' bitties. Proposition: Get Trinity back and get a stable of women with giant melons together to feud with Beautiful People. Watch ratings skyrocket. (Yes, it's completely counterintuitive to my plea for wholesome female wrestling. It's called hyperbole, kids. ). I like this guy. When did Victoria go to TNA, damn I've been out of the loop TNA wise for a while, uninspired to watch it since Kip James took a backseat, though I might need to watch again now.
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Post by adm on May 30, 2009 12:19:20 GMT -6
Victoria just showed up...like this ****ing week. She WAS going to do non-wrestling stuff...but apparently they don't hire models that have tig ol' bitts who are over 32 and former wrestlers.
It's great, though, she'll fit right in with the other great femmes in TNA.
And Raven is back, hopefully healthier than he was before, which could be good for a little bit of a run. ANd I do agree, it was such a cop-out, but the cop-out had a purpose. If Jarett got pinned he lost the ownership of TNA, if Angle got pinned he gave the winner the MEM, and if Sting got pinned he retired and only Foley had the title...nobody pinned Foley...so...yeah.
They explained that one weeks ahead of time, too...so it's not like a sudden ****ing change. They established it, was a cop-out but it was...ok.
TNA, thank god, has at least a great midcard that gets a lot of air time compared to the WWE Midcarders...and WWE has 2 2 hour shows and 2 1 hour shows...yet the ME guys get like half or more of the angles/storylines...
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Post by Jabari Woodhead on May 30, 2009 20:25:49 GMT -6
from everything that I have heard and I haven't seen pictures yet but that Raven has gotten the weight under control which was caused by a thyroid condition. by the way on the subject of a women's stable of chicks with big jugs they should hire former ECW interviewer Rebecca Dipietro and her giant JUGS
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Post by Maniac on May 30, 2009 21:26:51 GMT -6
For the first time in weeks I watched Impact on Thursday as it aired as opposed to on my dvr on sunday for one simple reason.
Raven.
I don't know or care what happened the rest of the night, I saw Raven, I beat off, and that was all there was to it. He's going to feud with Abyss, him and Stevie got a sick group going with Daffney, what else can you ask for?
As for the res of TNA, it's sort of up and down. I'm glad to see the tag div get some more spot light recently, I think all the tag teams fit their roles nicely, I'm sorry to see both members of LAX down though.
The x div fades in and out, but right now they got the spot light on it, if only for the unmasking of Suicide, but Kaz is a great wrestler so I love it.
The Main event is meh for me. I think Foley is gold on the mic, and I may be alone in that, his feud with JJ is allright, I just hope JJ doesn't win his trade mark match at the next ppv. I'd rather see Foley keep the belt and drop it to say AJ Styles and see TNA finally put him over as top guy.
All in all I enjoy TNA much better. I can't stand watching RAw and seeing the Colon's put on a great tag match against The Kendrick and whoever they give him as partner that week, and listen as the fans collectively sigh in anticipation of John Cena taking a dump on the ratings.
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Post by Cyrus Daniels on May 31, 2009 2:50:04 GMT -6
I caught up with TNA last night to see Victoria mainly, and apart from the sucky theme tune that seems to be a TNA trademark in many cases but thankfully not all, I have to say I'm psyched to see her back and have high hopes for her in the Knockout division.
Also saw Kip James get booted out of the Beautiful People and he just laughed it off like a goof, that was so not the reaction I figured he'd have, am glad though but please TNA tell me you're going to give him a decent singles run now? Pretty please, oh and get the guy some kneepads and boots because what he was wearing was just odd.
Not a huge fan of the Suicide gimmick, for me its right up there in suckitude with Black Machismo and Stone Cold Shark Boy, but Amazing Red put on a decent match with him. Psyched to see Daniels back also, but to me it was obvious that Jarrett and AJ were going to qualify, and mostly because I'm a Jarrett fan I want him to win King of the Mountain and actually end this 'I will defend once a year' thing Foley said he would do after Slammiversary...Mick Foley as a heel Champ = fail in my eyes as I always imagine him as the cheap pop face.
Surprised to see MEM still together but am bored of them now, come on Kurt leave the family!
I actually like this Samoa Joe Nation of Violence thing, and he has a badass theme!
British Invasion = so stereotypically its brilliant.
Cody Deaner and ODB = fail, and I may be alone on this but I never considered her to be particularly hot.
I marked for Raven though and think its interesting where his fued with Abyss might go, but why was Lauren protecting Abyss, someone want to fill me in there? That my friends is just bizarre.
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Post by JFK on May 31, 2009 11:48:22 GMT -6
Raven's promo=gold the rest of it along with the storyline, stupid.
I can believe no one's mentioned this tho, SHANE DOUGLAS IS BACK!
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