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Post by Angel on Jan 29, 2008 16:22:05 GMT -6
I have to say, I am a big tNA fan. i really just started watching it a couple months back, but to me the product is so much more refreshing than WWE. I'm kind of tired of Cena being unstopable and boring, and Orton just being boring. Along with HHH holding back every possible rising star he can. Smackdown is like the worst show on TV, Edge or no Edge. ECW isn't even a shadow of itself from two years ago, let alone the original ECW. So I have found some solace in TNA. The X-division is amazing. All the X wrestlers are amazing, including Shark Boy and his new Austin rip off gimmick. The tag division actually exists, which is great for guys who are good characters and wrestlers, just not guys you build a show around, aka the Dudley's or VKM. And of course the Heavy Weights/Main event is awesome. AJ Styles is like the man, Tomko amounts to something, Christian is great, Angel is great, Samoa Joe is freaking great... I don't know, I may be marking out here, but I"m curious, does anyone agree. Or am I so starved for a new brand that TNA just appears to be better to me?
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Post by Angel on Jan 29, 2008 16:22:29 GMT -6
I gotta stop missing the damn shift key.
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Post by Bannedingo on Jan 29, 2008 16:56:05 GMT -6
i have every tna PPV DVD.. from 2005. that kinda says something
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Post by Adam on Jan 29, 2008 18:43:42 GMT -6
I don't really watch wrestling anymore, but if somebody gave me the choices of watching WWE, TNA, ROH, Puro and I had to pick one and watch it for the rest of my life.... I'd pick TNA.
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Post by Christopher Esper on Jan 29, 2008 21:37:37 GMT -6
Anyone would say TNAs biggest downfall is going from pushing good talent to attempting to be a second rate WWE. The x-division isn't half as good as it used to be.
They take great indy talent and make them job again and again, they take former wwe talent and push and push. Hell I think Hardy's tna run was horrible and he looked like garbage, and I used to like Hardy a lot when I was younger, but no matter how craptastic he was he constantly got pushed.
I don't hate TNA, I like a lot of their wrestler but the show it's self isnt very good. But the thing is it has all the potential to be a great federation, and someday could be up to the wcw vs wwf standards, but not currently.
I mean hell, the current gimmicks and feuds.
A Steve Austin Sharkboy
A Randy Savage Jay Lethal
A Guru Sonjay Dutt
a scott steiner esque Petey Williams
A JBL rip off Robert Roode
Goldust but in black, with a pet rat/wolf, Kazarian hating him because he released his pet rat/wolf on him, creating a cheap feud.
Big Samoa Joe crushing smaller guys (so original)
Nash not caring about the business (so original)
Aj Styles with a crown
Abyss (second rate kane) and his father issues
Team 3d constantly cheating against the x division and "stealing" their belt
A thuggish latin american team
Christian vs Angle for the title, for the last three years it seems?
Christopher Daniels hiding as a japanese wrestler to "surprise" everyone someday
and bg jamess tag partner is his old ass dad
And everyone else not named here jobbing?
Does any of this seem credible?
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Post by mike on Jan 30, 2008 3:36:29 GMT -6
To be fair I actually was a huge TNA fan back when Jarrett was around...shock horror. Back then they had an x-division which had a champion with his belt, and did all the great matches with great feuds; eg. Daniels/Styles etc... They had a excellent tag team division which totally took WWE's apart. And though the heavyweight title was based around Jarrett and a select few it didn't really matter because the rest of the product and the ppvs were great.
But since Jarrett leaving for me TNA has gone slightly downhill in terms of my estimations. I mean I'm not a hater, nor someone who doesn't watch every week and watch every PPV. But the tag team division was weakened for a time and then it got back to strength again with great feuds like LAX/3D, LAX/AMW etc now its kinda a joke again. No offense to Bullet Bob Armstrong but can anyone really see him and BG James (who himself isn't that good anymore) putting on a good match? Not for me. Styles/Tomko is refreshing team who are pretty good but LAX being pushed to the back is stupid and personally I feel the tag division has become a lot lighter in recent year or so. The X-Division in itself has become more of a joke than a leading division in the business. No offense to Lethal, Dutt etc but they are far from the likes of Daniels, Styles, Sabin, Kaz etc who were the leading people in the x-division. Still if they get that belt away from this current feud and start putting on great feuds that people are actually interested in, like the Daniels/Styles feud as that was the best thing going for TNA at the time, then they would have a division once again which people would love. The heavyweight arena though has greatly improved despite the down grading of the x-division and in a sense the tag team division. Theres more contenders, not just one guy always dominating the belt as there has been Sting, Christian, Angle, Abyss who have been champion since Jarrett and there has always been a match for the belt which has held my interest, shame is the x-division and the tag titles haven't really grabbed me in a while.
Still overall I'm a fan of TNA< have watched every show since they went to spike and have seen some of their stuff prior to the spike tv deal. But right now TNA have a very good heavyweight division but they do need to stop all this gimmicky crap Sonjay Dutt had no personality before but right now he is just as about as useless as Sharkboy was before he turned into Stone Cold Steve Austin. I can just about see the Petey Williams thing as he is feuding with Scott Steiner...oh wait TNA have forgot to actually put a match on for that one! But there have been positive things like AJ increasing his mic skills and persona whereas before he was a great wrestler but a bit bland entertainment wise on the mic. Karen lightens the show up. The knockout division how in the hell could I have missed that out, the biggest draw for TNA's last PPV IMO was Kong/Gail Kim. But still I'm ranting, overall I like TNA but there are some things which they need to improve on;
1. Revitalise the X-Division.
2. Create a mid card title for guys like Rhoode, Storm and co to feud over.
3. Stop with the gimmicky crap.
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Post by Christopher Esper on Jan 30, 2008 6:53:46 GMT -6
I forgot to mention the Knockout division, oddly enough it's probably their biggest strength right now. Hell when youre comfortable enough to have a women's match be the main event on your show then they are doing something right.
But in the long run, it's sorta a rip, but funny.
ODB is the new Steve Austin.
Kong is the new Undertaker.
Gail is the new HBK.
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Post by Bannedingo on Jan 30, 2008 7:11:23 GMT -6
in a odd way.. that makes perfect sence.
but i have to defend one thing off your list, curryman was around before fallen angel. so technically he was disguised as christopher daniels and he suprised everyone by revealing himself as curryman ^^
besides.. HE'S HOT... HE'S SPICY..
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Post by Christopher Esper on Jan 30, 2008 7:30:16 GMT -6
How do you figure Curryman came first?
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Post by JFK on Jan 30, 2008 8:26:35 GMT -6
Watch "History of TNA Year One" Then compair that to the **** they have on now, and you'll see why I am starting to slowly hate TNA
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Post by mike on Jan 30, 2008 11:08:55 GMT -6
Have to admit Curryman is one hell of a crap gimmick. If TNA had have pushed Daniels with that Sting feud he could be a legit main event or at the very least upper card wrestler. GOod at cutting promos, great in ring matches, overall certainly was a future world champion. But like usual TNA gets cold feet and stops teh feud and puts Daniels back down the card. Then fires him and brings him back as the curryman well thats going to last long...  |
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Post by Bannedingo on Jan 30, 2008 11:48:21 GMT -6
How do you figure Curryman came first? unless you count jobbing in WWF and a single match in WCW after creating the character the fallen angel gimmick wasn't used until 2002. he wrestled in Japan as Curryman in late 2000 early 2001. |
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Post by JFK on Jan 30, 2008 12:05:04 GMT -6
bbbbzzzzzzzzz wrong
In 2000, he tagged in the World Wrestling Federation with Aaron Aguilera as "Dos" one half of Los Conquistadores. He also challenged TAKA Michinoku for the WWF Light Heavyweight Championship in a losing effort in his Fallen Angel gimmick on WWF Shotgun Saturday Night. Covell was also given the title King of Indies for his work with independent promotions all over the world; including Ring of Honor and Frontier Wrestling Alliance.
Daniels wrestles frequently in Japan as his masked alter-ego Curry Man, which is based on a mascot for a company in Japan that sells Japanese style curry.
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Post by Christopher Esper on Jan 30, 2008 12:48:22 GMT -6
JFK for the win on that.
That's what I was going to state, I know Conquistadors came first.
I don't think Curryman is a crappy gimmick, I mean for America yes, it's a joke. But a lot of japanese wrestlers are based on cartoons to get the kids into it. Tiger Mask and so on. But for them to try to use this cheap stunt to surprise all their none-informed fans is just dumb.
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Post by Bannedingo on Jan 30, 2008 12:52:02 GMT -6
ok, your right. no one really gave a **** about them back then and until i went on wiki i had forgotten about them. but you kinda proved you diddn't know much off the top of your head, shown by the wiki quote.
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Post by Christopher Esper on Jan 30, 2008 12:53:17 GMT -6
Did he not win the ECWA super 8 tournament in 2000? I'm pretty sure he was pretty noticed.
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Post by mike on Jan 30, 2008 12:55:13 GMT -6
JFK for the win on that. That's what I was going to state, I know Conquistadors came first. I don't think Curryman is a crappy gimmick, I mean for America yes, it's a joke. But a lot of japanese wrestlers are based on cartoons to get the kids into it. Tiger Mask and so on. But for them to try to use this cheap stunt to surprise all their none-informed fans is just dumb. Tiger Mask I can take slightly more serious than a man who calls himself the curryman and has a stupid little dance. Seriously Tiger Mask is great in the ring and well would be decent in their x-division, Curryman however is useless... Hopefully TNA come to their senses, drop Stone Cold Sharkboy and drop Curryman. |
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Post by Christopher Esper on Jan 30, 2008 12:57:13 GMT -6
Tiger Mask is excellent, Ive only seen the 4th incarnation but he's pretty much a pioneer of jr style.
And I solely think Daniels is back as Curryman just to try to surprise everyone.
People are like who is that stupid Curryheaded fool, zomg he pinned Aj Styles, zomg thats Daniels.
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Post by Bannedingo on Jan 30, 2008 13:01:11 GMT -6
lol honestly i've always ****in loved curryman. he's funny and talented. no to mention he's spicy
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Post by Christopher Esper on Jan 30, 2008 13:03:58 GMT -6
Do you love him so much that Vertigo will be the next in line to adopt the curryman persona?
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Post by mike on Jan 30, 2008 13:04:07 GMT -6
I think by the fans reaction in the Impact Zone they were either;
A - Getting over excited about a man taking off a curry and doing a dodgey little dance.
B - They realised it was Daniels.
As face it as soon as they gave a camera shot of his face you could tell it was Daniels even with the mask on.
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Post by Christopher Esper on Jan 30, 2008 13:12:52 GMT -6
Haha I knew he was Curryman but I wasnt sure if that was him due to his hair, but someone said it was most likely a wig of some sorts.
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Post by Xavier Williams on Jan 30, 2008 13:14:02 GMT -6
All Im saying is that maybe... The Fallen Angel has some other dates...*coughROHROHROHROHROHROHAGEOFTHEFALLROHROHROHROHROHROROH*cough*sputter*hack*wheeze*
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Post by mike on Jan 30, 2008 13:16:27 GMT -6
I'd watch ROH but the problem is I live in the UK and can't get over to see their shows...  lol |
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Post by Christopher Esper on Jan 30, 2008 13:18:56 GMT -6
Well after what seems like forever ROH is finally showing some events on mainstream pay per view. SO far theyve done four at I think 10 dollars a pop.
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Post by mike on Jan 30, 2008 13:21:15 GMT -6
How did they do PPV buy rate wise?
If its as good or anywhere near TNAs that would just make me laugh for obvious reasons such as TNA spending lots more money on wrestlers than ROH and if they could pull the same or similar ratings then that would show TNA up for sure...
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Post by JFK on Jan 30, 2008 13:26:05 GMT -6
I quoted Wiki as to show facts I knew off the top of my head that curry man didnt come first.
as far as ROH goes there are plenty of places to download shows and always well worth it imo if you want just matches I'm sure between me Jack and a few others we could come up with a list of the best of roh hehe.
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Post by Christopher Esper on Jan 30, 2008 13:37:27 GMT -6
I'm not sure about buy rate because they still have very little if any advertisement, but I know even on my brighthouse/timewarner cable I can order it. I remember before TNA was on tv their shows were 10 dollars a pop, and while roh has lesser known stars they are clearly the best federation in the business wrestling talent/entertainment wise. And I know for a fact a lot of the big x-division matches were clones if not slightly alterd versions of ROH matches, especially the low-ki vs the amazing red stuff.
I think you can find a lot of roh music videos on youtube and they even release a few full matches themselves on the site.
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Post by Bannedingo on Jan 30, 2008 13:58:55 GMT -6
Do you love him so much that Vertigo will be the next in line to adopt the curryman persona? nah, that's trent/bukakke man |
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Post by recklessjack on Jan 30, 2008 23:05:08 GMT -6
Wow, looks like TNA is becoming the new XPW. All they need now are horrible death matches and ****t... Wait, they just need the horrible death matches and they'll be XPW.
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lol